Forum Activity for @robert-schuler

Spent the evening playing Pretty Saro on this dulcimer. Often its the instrument that inspires the tune. Here's a picture... Robert...

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 Bluebird, go to v-picks.com , they have a multitude of picks! 

This is a V-pick "Memphis", It's con-vexed in profile to fit your thumb. I have a rather unorthodox grip so it suits me. 

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Is that the dulcimer in your avatar picture Robert?

That's not a drone it's a DRONE!

Wonderful!

Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Dana, Great News!!! 

 Thanks and welcome Paula to the world of dulcimers. I like turning a living room decoration into a fully functional instrument... Robert...

That sounds fantastic Robert.

It's beautiful Robert, thanks for sharing. 

Three years ago I built a Galax inspired dulcimer and set it up as a baritone. Spruce top and white oak back, 30" vsl. never liked the sound, the Champion tuners would not allow me to tune higher. Recently I modified the Champions and now they work great. So this was the first time I could try the dulcimer in different keys. I added the forth string and lowered the gauge. Wow I was really impressed, the dulcimer came to life. The long scale means the drones vibrate... like forever... I tried different strings but settled on .011 melody .014 and .026 bronze wound bass. Plays best in A bagpipe... Here is a sound clip... Robert

It was so nice to finally meet you Jeff!  (Glad I had my FotMD button on!)  I enjoyed talking dulcimers with you and meeting your Dad.  It was a fun festival and tagging up with fellow FotMD members made it even better!  

Great news, Dana!  Woohoo!  It's time for a happy dance! 

That is great news, Dana!  I am so happy for you.  I hope you have a great festival this weekend.  I would like to come, but am just not up to the trip after making the drive for KMW.  I know it will be great.

Dance a jig at the Ledford fest, Dana!  

Awesome news!

Big hugs to you Dana!   Great news!!

That is so good to hear Dana.  Wish I could be there this weekend, but I can't make it.  Hope to see you sometime, and I'm glad you got such a great report!

People I'm back with a BANG!  I haven't been on in a while because I've been very busy getting the Ledford festival going. 

Anyway just wanted to let everyone that doesn't know already that I had surgery finally on July 10 th. Not robotic old fashion full surgery. Came through it fine. Had a PET scan 3weeks ago. Went to dr. Monday she smiled and said I am cancer FREE! No after treatments of any kind. Follow up PeT scan in 6 months. I'm a happy camper!

Steven I am sorry that I did not thank you for your response earlier. Been a bit busy and had not loged on in a while. Thank you for the contact ,if Mr. Bloom is good enough for you I know he can handle my needs. Have a Blessed Day. By the way I love how you've mastered the Mountain Dulcimer. You give me more inspiration than you ever know to be the best I can be. Thanks.

Does anyone have experience using either one of these?  Picture attached. Made by Dave Lynch @ Sweet Woods.

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http://thedulcimerhymnal.com/resources/media/9._Come_Ye_Sinners.pdf ; this is the hymn you were looking for.

http://thedulcimerhymnal.com/resources/media/9._Come_Ye_Sinners.pdf ; this is a good hymn recource. 

Here is my version, I don't have it tabbed out:  Elk River Blues .  I kind of based this on this recording by the author:

Thank you all for the information, no wonder I love FOTMD so much, you guys are always eager to help, you are the greatest and thanks again...Vic..

The best changes are those who are reversable...!

Bob, I don't know what style of music you play on the guitar, but did you ever tried 'Silk and Steel' strings? It is a set with three nylon like wound bass strings and three steel treble strings.  They do a wonderful job when you play fingerpicking.

Ok, I worked on the dulcimer some. 

I changed the middle string to the same size as the melody and took off one of the bottom strings.

Put a bit of paper in the grove of the bridge for the middle string and fixed one of the tuner knobs on a peg for the bass so it would hold the tinning.

Little changes but it made a big difference. I'll have to decide if I will just leave the paper or drop a bit of glue in the grove or file the 6,7,& 8th fret but for now the paper works fine.

Thanks everyone

(Have fun and don't be afraid to try something new!)

    I love this and no I'm not afraid, I learn so much about the dulcimer by each of the member's post with all the many suggestions. The dulcimer has a nice response but my problem could be, I just like warmer more mellow tones. 

Thanks for all the feed back, I will continue to try & fine this dulcimer's voice or accept it has what I would think is an old timey sound. Some cords or notes are quite nice and some not so much.

Marg, when I think about "tone quality", I think of three things pitch, volume and timber.  String choice has an effect on all of these.  First, let's define what I mean: 

Pitch: the note to which the string is tuned.  You also see this referred to as tension.  More tension = higher pitch, less tension = lower pitch.  Lighter weight strings can be tuned to a higer pitch than heavier strings because they require less tension to reach that pitch.

Volume: loudness.  Heavier strings can produce greater volume than lighter ones

Timber: (pronounced tam-ber) This is all of those sound qualities that are not Pitch or Volume.  Highly subjective and influenced by many many factors such as Wout mentions above: body design, wood choice, string materials, etc.

So, string choice is really a personal choice as to what you think sounds best on your instrument.  For example, for many years I have played medium weight, John Pearse phosphor bronze wound strings on my guitar because I get greater bass response and a warm tone.  Right now I like the McSpadden flat wound (squeakless) strings on one of my instruments because thery sound mellow and sweet on it and I have another strung up with nickel wound tenor banjo strings because they are brassy and bright. (and I found them at my local music shop in a pinch)

Robin Thompson plays an instrument with all plain steel strings of the same guage tuned to the same note.  

Have fun and don't be afraid to try something new! 

Great idea Bob, will def. try this on some old Champions I have.

Thanks for sharing that information. I haven't liked the slot head screws either. I will have to try this on one of my dulcimers that still has the Champions on it.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken, another size of strings, with the same length and pitch, needs a different tension, which will result in another building-up of overtones, which one can clearly hear, even at an old age ;-) Designing strings is a difficult job. Designing an instrument too. Lets take a look at the piano. If the bass strings weren't different in size with the others, an octave lower would mean a string twice as long. Even the grand piano would be too small. These strings are designed to sound at a special pitch with a special volume. The length is (almost) fixed. When changing the pitch of the string, mostly higher (an A into a D on the dulcimer), the tension of string is changed, also higher, which enable the string to produce higher overtones. The string will sound slightly different... In the piano the sizes differ to get the same building of overtones all over the strings, because the tension is almost the same.

The human ear is the best instrument to measure this. There are musicians, who has no prefect hearing, but are able to hear a music piece is played in 432 Hz or in 440 Hz. I am able to detect a 'false' sized string on a guitar. The dulcimer is harder, simple because the instrument is played in a different style.

On all my dulcimers 26 and27" I use 012 012 014 022. This size works for Dad and Daa. It could be that your dulcimer just doesn't sound good. I built a very beautiful black walnut model that has no tone at all. I've made many modifications and it still sounds bad. It will end up as kindling wood come winter... Robert. 

length is a tad under 27". I have checked the string gage. Just wondering if in DAA i should have melody and middle both the same string size? How much does that makes a difference? Or is it not something that can make much of a diference? All good just not the best voice yet.

That's a great idea.  I never liked the slotted bolts either.

Marg, it would help to know the scale length... Robert

Thank you, John, that was beautiful.  It's fascinating how a tune can change. 

You've given us the perfect solution to our dilemna: 

Q: Which version to play? 

A: All of them! 

ken

    it's the red stain dulcimer, I am still playing around with. It has an old time sound to it, which I like but something just isn't right yet with the overall sound. I have put 2 strings back on for a class i am starting today but think it really sounds better with just one on the melody. Since I will be DAA mostlyI was wondering if the middle string should be the same as the melody, that's why I was asking how much of a difference the strings sizes could make. If you can remember from many many years ago, do you recall what size strings you had on yours to make it sing how you wanted?

dan

(many variables that determine the tone of every dulcimer)

Wout

(the different soundbox or wood -  one has to experiment - I mostly play in DAA,)

    I like the 12 string size on melody for my 2 other dulcimers but this last one, an older 1970's dulcimer I'm haven't gotten it to sound pleasig as of yet. I have it tune to DAA and had 1 melody string on it to start but I am starting a DAA class today so put 2 - 12's on. I do feel I liked just the way just 1 string sounded better - maybe because it was thiner or just 1? Since I maybe will play mostly DAA on this dulcimer should I also have the middle string the same size as the melody? Maybe that is where I am running into trouble with the tone.

   Yes, experiment is needed on this dulcimer to find it's voice and that was the thought of the post to see how much of a difference the strings can make.    thanks

String gauge and tone quality?  As mentioned there is no overall "right" string gauge.  Just gauges for particular tuning ranges. 

What do you mean by "tone quality"?  How do you think string gauge would effect whatever that is?

I believe it would take extremely accurate instrumentation to be able tell if there was any difference in "tone quality" (whatever that means) between a .010 and a .012 gauge string on the melody course (either of which would be usable)  in Ddd tuning, for example.  Even if you had perfect pitch, I don't think you could hear the difference between a .010 and a .012 string tuned to the same note on the same instrument (double melody strings, one .010, the other .012, both tuned to the same note)